Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Plush chairs, maps , light tables and sand trays, efficent WAAFs and crusty Admirals , curtained windows and scrambled phones...the place to talk about the annual big game and those sort of events...and all the recruiting and planning of such
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Postby Bluewillow » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:20 pm

what about the PCYC at Glebe than, near the trotting track.
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Postby Cardinal Biggles » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:33 pm

i think anything in sydney is going to big money..

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Postby Bluewillow » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:45 am

the PCYC will not be a lot, as membership is cheap and most PCYC's have wargames (warhammer) clubs, if they have a club you are more likely too get it free

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Postby Cardinal Biggles » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:29 am

well it is up the Phantom agent, he is on the ground , so to spaek..

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Postby Battes » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:29 pm

Historical wargames lack humour. Thats why the 'Emperor vs Elector' style thing is great. It's also why Battes dumped historical gaming to play 40K - and why so many younger people dont get into historical gaming.
Basically, the historical scene is a drag and has been for years. It needs a big kick start if you give a toss about it.

This Review 2009 is a good idea, but you really gotta garnish support for what you want to do - not be subject to commercialism, gamesmanship and being somewhere you gotta stay sober. (Oh yeah, and put your balls on the chopping block and pray that axe dont drop).

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Postby Cardinal Biggles » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:40 pm

I would say historical comps lack humour...sobriety is useful in attracting outsiders

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Postby Haakon » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:46 pm

Some 20+ years ago in an effort to introduce wargaming to the community at large an invitation was arranged to put on a display game of the Battle of Waterloo at the 3 day Furniture & Home Exibition. Various players were rostered on each day to play the game and answer questions. We had so many people stop by and watch that it felt very successful.

If the purpose is to market our hobby then I would suggest we approach the organisers othese sorts of events.

You need to hold the games where there are a lot of throughput eg school fetes, model railway demonstrations etc. SCECGS (Redlands at Cremourne) runs a fete that gets thousands of people through it.

Private School and University Open Days are another avenue to try. The advantage of tagging onto these events is that they do all the promotion. If you run it in a community hall you have to do your own promotion and it has to be done properly otherwise it's just a club meeting if the public doesn't come.

For as many years as I can remember Epping Boys High has a model railway display which gets lots of visitors. Maybe we could tag onto their event?

Just thoughts. There I have finally made a post.

By the way do photos of my figures count as posts by me or The Cardinal?

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Postby Cardinal Biggles » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:36 pm

by Me Brett...but post counts above 1 are just fluff anyway...good ideas there ..over to you Phantom Agent! I was at the first day/evening of that home display and a lot of people came but the lighting gave me the one and only mother of all migranes of my life..
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Postby Haakon » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:16 pm

I was there on the Sunday. Don't remember the lighting but I do remember this boy about 10 years old who kept making sounds like a machine gun for about 30 minutes until I told him they didn't have machine guns at Waterloo. He just looked at me as "what would I know" and continued to make the noise until his parents returned to collect him. Clearly we were providing a valuable babysitting service.

Was that event organised by John Chard?

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Postby starkadder » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:10 pm

Stop it. Stop it.

All these names, dates and events swimming up from the past.

Oh the pain, the pain...

Hello Brett

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Postby Cardinal Biggles » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:15 pm

not John chard, i wouldn't imagine he could organise a sneeze in the hayfever season, i think it was done through Michael Green of the ten Tin soldier and one of his custnmers who happened to on the organising group of the event. As I remember I was sharing digs with the Black Bear and Colonel Starkadder at the time and we were often travelling around in the aptly name Datsun Culloden 1800

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Postby rct75001 » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:28 pm

did john chard have the shop at the top level of the arcade on george street - presume that just died a death - but i do remember going there as a young fella and being mesmerised

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Postby Cardinal Biggles » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:24 pm

that was him Rorke's Drift, he traded on an alleged descent from Chard of the zulu wars..

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Postby Tyberius » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:25 pm

In the very early 1990's Parramatta had for 2 years a Miniatures and Model Exhibition, all partcipation games and trade stores. I helped set up every morning with Ray from Essex.

It was held in the small Parramatta Town hall and was very busy.

They involved the re-enactment societies who aside from having a display walked around the streets in the uniforms inviting people to attend.

From 2001 to 2003 Leviathan attracted a huge general public attendance as I got us on ABC radio (Gary Kenworthy and I were interviewed), I spoke on 2GB and another station (cannot remember which) also into 3 local papers with photos, on various internet community event calendars plus we promoted the event at the Sydney Royal Easter show. I also got the re-enactment societies involved.

However when I stopped being involved with the organising of Leviathan, the public presence and the general public attendence dropped off.

I left WSGS in 2006, I'm not sure WSGS run participation games anymore at MOAB etc. They still ask Russell back to Leviathan, but I don't think any current WSGS members run partcipation games that are designed for the general public. The old focus of getting new kids and new families into the hobby is no longer there.

Russell and I now attend the Penrith club, Emperor's Legion and are enjoying retirement.

I'm not keen to go to all the events like I use to running partcipation games. II happily organise the Easter Show every year for the hobby and appreciate the assistance and volunteers that help each year. Then I have one all weekend game for us die hard gamers

I take the kids camping during the Oct long weekend (which means I cannot attend MOAB anymore) and I haven't attended a tournament since 2006.

But if there is a real effort to promote our hobby to the general public, I would consider running a game. (Damn did I say that)

Howevever my kids are older now, they do more sports and I cannot commit to helping with any organising.
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Postby Bluewillow » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:25 am

I like the idea of tacking onto something, Carlo Pagano tacks onto the "Big Boys Toys" events for free as far as I am aware, 25,000 people through in perth last year, had a lot of interested parties as far as I am aware.

Again the games were of the highest calibre so that helps.

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Postby Haakon » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:11 am

There must be a Craft Show or a Toy Show that we could access. I didn't know that games were put on at the Easter Show. It's been a while since my kids have wanted to go to the show with me.

For anyone (which must be everyone) who is more computer literate than me some sort of search of the internet for show and fairs over the next 12 months may reveal some marketing opportunities.

Failing that I wonder if the Universities could be involved in a inter-university wargaming competition like they do with the uni games. All the techs and nerds must have some form of inter-university challenge other than chess.

Could always talk to history teachers at the closest high school to perhaps put on a game relevant to what they are teaching in the cirriculum ie when my daughter was studying Sparta at "Redlands" Thermopalae would have been an interesting wargame to show.

I once helped my daughter do a diorama of ancient Egypt with a pyramid, oasis, etc and put some of my NKE 15mm DBM troops on it. The figures caused a great deal of interest.

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Postby Tyberius » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:08 pm

Matisse have invited us to put on partcipation games and painting table since 2002.

They organised this before they started producing the paint range Derivan Minis.


I should also add that Leviathan is an extremely successful tournament regardless of its move away from promoting the hobby to the general public.

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby arnhem_chris » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:16 pm

Well Kendo,

You know you can pretty much rely on me to bring something ..... space dependent etc, could even be Arnhem? ;)

Chris (the Fat Pom .... as opposed to Chris the 'large' Aussie! ;) )

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby Cardinal Biggles » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:58 pm

well a Sydney adventure isn't my baby anymore , how do you feel about Goulburn..?

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby arnhem_chris » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:09 am

Kendo

Been there, done that before ;) so, no problem, just have to arrange the logistics for Arnhem a bit in advance (I can't move it in a single car load, so would have to leave some down at the Big Gingers (BW) the month before), I have actually taken the 'city' half of the game down there for a show before, when we did the Grabner attack over the bridge, and the rest of 1st brigade trying to break through to 2nd Bn.

Chris

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby Cardinal Biggles » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:47 am

well we shall see what we come up with down here in the frozen south west

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby DamianR » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:11 pm

One thing about stand alone events and competitions is that unless you have the backing of a seperate event (Modelling & Hobby Expo, Train show, Ekka, etc) you really need those tightly packed gamers who have paid to attend every day of the event, and support the traders as well.

That allows you the luxury to pay for the floor space to fit in the Demo or display games, while keeping any door price low.

While I can understand that the tourny scene isn't for everyone, it certainly has its advantages for any event organiser.

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby Zepnix Games » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:45 pm

Drop an email to Nic at Eureka Miniatures - they ran 'Little Wars' earlier this year in Melbourne- all demo games and retailers,\.

I went - was fun - played some Urban War, sold some Urban War minis....

Would consider trying to get to a similar event in Sydney (or Goulbourn - as that's even closer).

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby Cardinal Biggles » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:15 pm

Well I have to talk to the Blue Willow and the rest of the Goulburn Men but I like the sound of it...it is that bit closer for travellers from the sSouth and that little bit further for travellers from the North..

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Re: Sydney Convention, Cumberland 2009?

Postby arnhem_chris » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:48 pm

I seem to recall that there was a small event run out west toward Parramatta (but not quite that far, near Silverwater I think that used an RSL ... its a good central location (for Sydney anyway) ... was it called Lance and Arrow or something? I think Mick Sellman (Mick's metal models) organised it, maybe we could go there?

Chris


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