Horses - A challenge to consider

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Horses - A challenge to consider

Post by starkadder » Wed May 06, 2009 8:09 pm

OK. Enough talk.

Here's a suggestion for a group build that doesn't need an army to be constructed around it but wouldn't be a bad earner and could be intriguing.

There are quite a few famous equids in history. A few examples:

Bucephalus - Alexander.
Traveller - Robert E Lee
Mules-George Crook (look it up NOW)

and

Marengo - Napoleon.

And it's the last one that inspires this post for a group build. Marengo was an Arab grey (white to the uninitiated). Not the only horse he rode. We know about thirty of them including a beautiful Limousin.

But Marengo's the one.

Design a Napoleonic figure based on the David painting (look it up, I can't be bothered Google: Marengo, horse, David)) but this time the important thing is get the horse right. It's an Arab, a small Arab. Bonaparte was a crap rider and liked quiet small horses (the painting is wrong by the way. Napoleon would have been thrown off very easily).

He could be fitted into the Eureka range or any of the early armies up to Austerlitz (after which Bonaparte gets a horse called - Austerlitz). Design it to fit in to any early French Napoleonic army. I don't care if it's 15 or 28mm or I'd prefer the larger.

And after Marengo, a proper Traveller for the Confederates.

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Post by Cardinal Biggles » Wed May 06, 2009 9:07 pm

and what about Frederick the Great and his grey Flute Concerto?

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Post by frostydog » Wed May 06, 2009 9:44 pm

or Wellington on Copenhagen
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Post by starkadder » Wed May 06, 2009 9:52 pm

Yep. It all works for me.

The essence of this is that we should think about a design range for the horse and not the rider personality. Old Nosey, Fred, the Corsican troublemaker are all well-enough known and acknowledged. They're not the issue.

It's all about the steed.

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Post by greatwhitezulu » Thu May 07, 2009 7:17 am

I really like this idea! Well done Starkers. I would get one of each, assuming the rider came as well.
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Post by Dropbear » Thu May 07, 2009 8:52 am

One thing to consider - what range of rider figures would someone have to buy to put on the horse? Would the variety of figures all work with the horse?

or was the idea intended to be the horse after the rider has dismounted?

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Post by frostydog » Thu May 07, 2009 8:57 am

Are there many dismounted figs of Boney, Nosey, Fred etc out there. may be a horse with dismounted rider combo.
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Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu May 07, 2009 9:16 am

I am not sure I really understand it at all..don't all horses look much the same..

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Post by greatwhitezulu » Thu May 07, 2009 10:19 am

Bishop Biggles wrote:I am not sure I really understand it at all..don't all horses look much the same..
oh, Biggles......spoken like a true gamer :D

I think the problem with horse alone is, as DB says, finding riders that will fit. God, Foundry can't always get their own riders to fit horses. So a rider, or dismounted personality is a must imho.
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Re: Horses - A challenge to consider

Post by JasonB » Thu May 07, 2009 10:39 am

Dont forget Blucher and one of his thousand horses shot out from under him!

I like the idea as long as their famous riders are with them otherwise that defeats the purpose i would have thought....

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Post by akula_au » Thu May 07, 2009 10:46 am

I like it famous leaders and the men who rode them....

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Post by greatwhitezulu » Thu May 07, 2009 11:04 am

akula_au wrote:I like it famous leaders and the men who rode them....
Actually, don't stop with the horses. What about the goose that led the 1096 Crusade? :D
No Longer The Maharajah of Golconda
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The Liberator, The Sitting Thunder
The Bull Elephant, Breaker of Tyrants
The Cunning Leopard, Father of the Sky
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Post by Greywolf » Thu May 07, 2009 3:10 pm

This is the moment of truth;

Whenever the Light Horse is mentioned I get all sentimental. I would like to see a stand alone Waler,no rider just the horse. Sort of Monarch of the Glen,a memorial for all those horses that that lost their lives on campaign and for the ones who survived the campaign and still lost their lives. A tragedy.
This is about the 4th time I've attempted this subject,finally got it out.I like cavalry in my wargame armies,nevertheless the Light Horse holds a peculiar resonance with me. All those years with Daisy (a pony) and Hunter (well a hunter of course) I suppose....................

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Re: Horses - A challenge to consider

Post by starkadder » Thu May 07, 2009 6:00 pm

I sympathise with Greywolf but I do not blub.

The idea would be to do both horse and rider which effectively makes them independent of any particular range (other than size/scale restriction) - a mini-diorama that could be used for display or for play.

When I said the emphasis would be on the steed I was trying to emphasise that there is a heap of work available on the riders which makes them relatively easy. The research and design emphasis would be on the accuracy of the horses.

And whether they are shown mounted, dismounted, led or tethered is a design decision.
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Post by Greywolf » Thu May 07, 2009 6:06 pm

starkadder wrote:I sympathise with Greywolf but I do not blub.

The idea would be to do both horse and rider which effectively makes them independent of any particular range (other than size/scale restriction) - efefectively a mini-diorama that could be used for display or for play.

When I said the emphasis would be on the steed I was trying to emphaises that there is a heap of work available on the riders which makes them relatively easy. The research and design emphasis would be on the accuracy of the horses.

And whether they are shown mounted, dismounted, led or tethered is a design decision.
I like the idea Starkadder,accurate horses for a change.Just had to vent.

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Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu May 07, 2009 6:31 pm

so it is a range of mounted personalities on realstic horse..I want Belisarius on the white faced bay..this is , of coures ecconmic insanity..

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Re: Horses - A challenge to consider

Post by starkadder » Thu May 07, 2009 7:03 pm

Bishop Biggles wrote:this is , of course economic insanity..
With respect, my dear clerical friend, it all depends on how you do it.

While Belisarius may be too heroic in these straitened financial times, a 28mm Napoleon on Marengo or Old Nosey on Copenhagen is a very different proposition. Much more commercial. Just the thing to round off an army. You won't be a millionaire but you won't lose on it.

Similarly Lee on Traveller for our American cousins.

Perhaps Incitatus might like a disgruntled Roman senator with his mount? Why not fake it and get Caligula with Incitatus for an early Imperial Roman. Inaccurate but amusing.

And why restrict ourselves to horses? The Maharajah awaits his howdah. :)

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Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu May 07, 2009 7:14 pm

Didn't Caligula make his horse a consul?....so it is a range of personalities on, hopefully, horses that don't look like dogs..perhaps you could get them siver plated for gift shops..?

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Post by starkadder » Thu May 07, 2009 7:24 pm

That was one of the possibilities. I don't think the Caligula's a real goer outside Ancient History departments but the rest still holds.

Indeed there are several fabulous Lee and Grant on horseback photos. A matching set would work in the American market at the very least. Hell, there's a Patton on horseback!

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Post by greatwhitezulu » Thu May 07, 2009 7:51 pm

[quote="starkadderAnd why restrict ourselves to horses? The Maharajah awaits his howdah. :)[/quote]

Now a nice range of angry elephants would be nice. I am over all these passive pachyderms, ambling aimlessly along. Bring on the biff! Some stomping, rearing, charging action would be nice. :D :D :D :D
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The Bull Elephant, Breaker of Tyrants
The Cunning Leopard, Father of the Sky
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Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu May 07, 2009 8:50 pm

may I suggest there are not nearly enough monkeys, chimps and gorillas on the market..

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Post by starkadder » Thu May 07, 2009 8:53 pm

Boudicca - bare-breasted and chariot-borne - the full cliche.

But carrying a monkey on her head...

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Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu May 07, 2009 8:59 pm

but the Big B had the chariot pulled by ponies, and probably ugly ones by our standards..

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Re: Horses - A challenge to consider

Post by frostydog » Thu May 07, 2009 9:00 pm

Didn't Caligula make his horse a consul?....so
amongst other "things" which I wont mention in such polite company but could make an interesting model. Reclining horses may be too much of a novelty?
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Re: Horses - A challenge to consider

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu May 07, 2009 9:03 pm

are you suggesting something about his sister? and then there is Nero and his mother..more interesting than horses..and what about Camels?

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