What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

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Re: What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

Post by AndyONeill » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:15 pm

References for guns seem rather patchy.
I suspect this is at the root of the problem.
Bore diameter and length can be obtained - but my point is that manufacturers seem to have rather ignored these.
Having said that, even ones where you CAN get reference material for them are rather poorly represented.
Prussians for example.
Used quite a variety of guns but there are some which you could consider the "major" ones.
Berliner Zinnfiguren do an excellent range - but are VERY expensive.
20 quid a gun is a bit rich for my tastes.
You can see from their site what a 10pdr howitzer looked like and their 12pdr brummer seems accurate.
AFAIK they are the only manufacturer making a 10pdr how.
I have no idea what sources they used.
http://www.zinnfigur.com/all/DHome_Set. ... ne+um+1760

Photos of a brummer are on Ioannis' Leuthen journal site.
http://leuthenjournal.com/?page_id=339

What seem to be scale drawings of Austrian and a couple of Russian guns are in Duffy "Army of Maria Theresa".
There are also measurements there.
Wheel diameter was standardised at 51 inches.
I had assumed that this would be about standard diameter of guns of all nations but that's more a guess.
There are good reasons for having a big diameter.

Measurements for some aspects of Prussian guns are in Duffy "Army of Frederick the Great".

I don't know how one would go about tracking down differences between the various nations carriages.
The valliere system used a unique method of elevation whilst everyone else used a wedge and screw like on that brummer.

There are a number of these stats on the thread I recently started on TMP
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=158841

Cardinal Biggles

Re: What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:39 pm

ok we might just have to diody some up like everybody else has done..

AndyONeill

Re: What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

Post by AndyONeill » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:16 pm

In making stuff up, some manufacturers seem to have just ignored the measurements which are relatively easily available.

The tricky thing to do is to work out what is safe to make up and what isn't.
For example, the French valliere barrels were bigger and heavier.
Presumably the carriages and wheels would also have been.
Somewhere in France it is quite possible there's a barrel in some museum or other.

AndyONeill

Re: What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

Post by AndyONeill » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:54 pm

British 3 pdr plans. Probably AWI but would that be the same as SYW?
http://blogs.history.org/cannon/historicgallery

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Re: What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

Post by Dropbear » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:12 am

Might I suggest visiting other forums and asking anyone around the world that has a museum (or the like) near them that has any of the cannons in question to go and take photos?

This doesn't have to be a wargaming forum either, as there are forums on history as well.

If we can collect a set of photos it might help.

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Re: What other 28mm SYW Armies should we think about?

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:20 am

good one andy..plans like thgat are what we need DB..I think we have found our battalion gun.. as said elsewhere, a generic style..I serously doubt we will find plans of Hanoverian originals...

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