28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

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should this range be in 28mm size or 40mm size

Poll ended at Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:57 pm

40mm
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28mm
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Cardinal Biggles

28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:18 pm

Bushranger etc figures in 28mm for "Wild Colonial" games

Each figure to have mounted and dismounted variants unless otherwise stated

Tally:

Ned Kelly Gang: Armoured 4
CBiggles 1
Dropbear 1
Bluewillow
Helen 1

Ned Kelly Gang Unarmoured 4
CBiggles 1
Dropbear 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

Ma Kelly (dismounted): 3
CBiggles 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

Ben Hall: 4
CBiggles 1
Dropbear 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

Captain Thunderbolt: 3
CBiggles 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1


Captain Starlight: 3
Dropbear 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

John Gilbert: 3
Dropbear 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1


Civilians - various age and gender: 26
CBiggles 3
Dropbear 3 (+?)
Bluewillow 10
Helen 10

Mounted Police: Mounted 26
Dismounted 26

Dropbear 6 (of each)
Bluewillow 10 (of each type???)
Helen 10 (10 of each type??)

Sgt Kennedy & other Police personalities:3
CBiggles 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

Trackers: 6 (suggested in uniform and in shirt)
CBiggles 1
Dropbear 2 (1 of each)
Bluewillow 2 (1 of each)
Helen 2 (1 of each)

Mad Dog Morgan: 4
CBiggles 1
Dropbear 1
Bluewillos 1
Helen 1

Cob & Co coach set: 3
CBiggles 1
Dropbear 1
Helen 1

Frederick Pottinger: 3
CBiggles 1
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

Matra (with cooking pot) :

Pemulwuy: 2
Bluewillow 1
Helen 1

Generic Bushranger (i.e. not a famous one - good for sidekicks or fodder): 14
Dropbear 2
Bluewillow 6
Helen 6




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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by CdM » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:22 pm

I'd be up for one set of Kellys and 2 of anything else in 28mm.

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by greatwhitezulu » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:44 pm

I am up for each of the bushrangers. Mounted and dismounted would be nice. I would also take a dozen traps and a couple of trackers.

Regardless of Cardinal's misguided belief, Kelly was nothing more than a thug...
No Longer The Maharajah of Golconda
But still THE Greatwhitezulu
The Liberator, The Sitting Thunder
The Bull Elephant, Breaker of Tyrants
The Cunning Leopard, Father of the Sky
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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by greatwhitezulu » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:45 pm

And Frederick Pottinger please!

And some nice period buildings!
No Longer The Maharajah of Golconda
But still THE Greatwhitezulu
The Liberator, The Sitting Thunder
The Bull Elephant, Breaker of Tyrants
The Cunning Leopard, Father of the Sky
Siiii-Giiii-Diiii

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:25 pm

I will be on this like a Canterbury Bulldog over the next few days.

In the mean time, I wrote this on my web site last week: http://www.freewebs.com/shelldrake/impossiblegames.htm

If this one gets the legs, I will have to edit my site.

If anyone has drawing and or photos or Bushrangers, Police, Settlers, period buildings, please post them.

Re the buildings: If i get enough pics, i will draw up some plans for making your own if i am able to (i can make things out of card and balsa, but never drawn up plans... seems like a good time to start :lol: )

Instead of Wild West games, we could be playing Wild Colonial games :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:31 pm

yoo hoo Irish Catholic thugs for me!!! Yep , Deacon DB your observations on that Shelldrake fellows site are spot on..some of my greatest moments in wargaming were western gunfights in the back bar of...what was that hotel now..on Riley St , corner of Foveaux St, across the road from the Touch of Class

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by starkadder » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:34 pm

Pottinger's easy. A coach, a pistol, a suicide note.
I want a Ben Hall, a Matra (with cooking pot) and a Pemulwuy

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:27 am

ok, i have made an edit to the start of this thread to make it easier for every one to keep track of this.

Now we have the start of a clear list, could people indicate exactly which ones and how many of they are interested in.

I will be posting more ideas soon, along with photos and drawings. If anyone else has any to post, please do so.

All numbers and figure requests will be added to the first post to make it easy to follow.

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:12 am

for me..

Ned Kelly Gang: Armoured x1
Unarmoured x1

Ma Kelly (dismounted): x1

Ben Hall: x 1

Captain Thunderbolt: x1

Civilians - various age and gender: x? (3)

Police:

Sgt Kennedy & other Police personalities: x1

Trackers: x1

Mad Dog Morgan: x1

Cob & Co coach set: x1

Frederick Pottinger: x1

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:12 pm

Police circa 1875

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and a re-enactor


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Note - i resized the pictures but photobucket is obviously having a hissy, as they are still coming out HUGE :roll:

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:44 pm

and again:

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:00 pm

A list of some Bushrangers - I have only included Bushrangers that were "working" from the 1850's onwards, but I am thinking these figures would be more along the 1870's - late 1880's for Wild Colonial gaming.

Please add to the list if you have more, as well as any info, pictures etc that may help.


Joe Byrne, one of the Kelly Gang 1857 - 1880

Martin Cash c. 1808–1877

John Dunn 1846–1866


John Fuller, known as Dan Mad Dog Morgan c. 1830–1865

Frank Gardiner c. 1829–c. 1904

John Gilbert 1842–1865

Ben Hall 1837–1865

Steve Hart, one of the Kelly Gang

Henry Johnson, known as Harry Power 1819–1891

Dan Kelly, brother of Ned c. 1861-1880

Ned Kelly c. 1854–1880

James Alpin McPherson, known as The Wild Scotchman 1842-1895

Johnny O'Meally 1843–1864

Frank Pearson, known as Captain Starlight[10] 1837–1899

Sam Poo ?–1865

Harry Redford, known as "Captain Starlight - The gentleman bushranger"[11] c. 1842 - 1901

Andrew George Scott, known as Captain Moonlite

Frederick Ward, known as Captain Thunderbolt 1833–1870

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:52 pm

I just found out there is a TV mini series coming out (unless it has been out already :( ) called "Bushranger Origins". With any luck this will help get people's interest :D

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by starkadder » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:45 pm

Sam Poo, the only known Chinese bushranger and one of the saddest cases.

He was known as a "cranky old Chinaman", couldn't make a go of the gold diggings and disappeared.

A few days he jumped out from behind a tree and alarmed a wife and daughter.

A copper called Ward was sent to find him.

Sam must have liked the tree technique because he tried it again with Ward. Popular prejudice has it that he leaped out and yelled: "You policer-man, me shootee you." And shot Ward who died nine days later (from memory).

I've actually read the court record. Ward's testimony was taken before he died and admitted in evidence (a first in Australian jurisprudence) According to Ward, Sam said quite clearly "You are a policeman. I will shoot you." Much more boring than making him sound like a bad cartoon character.

He was hanged at Darlinghurst gaol.

Personally I don't think he rates as a true bushranger. Just a very unlucky bloke.

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by starkadder » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:49 pm

For any information, I'd recommend History of Australian Bushranging by Charles White (probably well out of print)

The story of Constable Ratty is worth it alone as well as the Bathurst insurrection ( a great scenario).

Avoid anything by Frank Clune. A fraud, liar and drunkard. And a bloody awful writer

I have a serious amount of this stuff if anyone's genuinely interested.

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by starkadder » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:52 pm

and finally, forget 28mm. I would heavily recommend 40mm. Much better for skirmish and eminently more saleable in other areas (the tourist trade, for instance)

And an opportunity for all you modelmakers to make some decent wattle and daub structures

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:13 pm

yes 40mm does sound good to lets have more discussion on this ..and if 40mm Matt could get them plated and sell them for a mint to the tourist trap shops

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Bluewillow » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:22 am

yes 40mm, I would be very interested in the lot also, I have some pics of capt moonlight and ben hall and starlight, I will dig them up and post them after christmas

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:31 am

Hmmm - I have the odd 40mm figure around the place.... very tempted here.

What would the price be for a mounted and unmounted figure in 40mm compared to 28mm?

Would a Cob & Co coach be too expensive in 40mm?

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Bluewillow » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:35 am

cobb and co coach in 40mm, I would have a crack at that in resin myself and sell it wit the range!

Plus a logging wagon and a dray, need to hold up something else besides the mail coach, or what about the armoured Bathurst NSW bank coach that Ben Hall cracked!

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:42 am

If they could be made, extra wagons to hold up would be great.

ok - i am in for the 40mm ( :lol: told you i was very tempted )

If every one else agrees, i shall edit the 28mm to 40mm.

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by greatwhitezulu » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:20 am

Prefer 28mm, but will go for 40mm
No Longer The Maharajah of Golconda
But still THE Greatwhitezulu
The Liberator, The Sitting Thunder
The Bull Elephant, Breaker of Tyrants
The Cunning Leopard, Father of the Sky
Siiii-Giiii-Diiii

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:06 am

40mm appeals to the painter in me..hmm Matt..Franklin Mint might beckon!

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Admin Fella » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:36 am

There is potentially a whole pile of I.P, copyright and ownership issues with these figures. I will certainly take advice if anyone knows if we have the ability to ahve these made without infringing on something belonging to someone?

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Re: 28mm Bushrangers, troopers and trackers

Post by Dropbear » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:52 am

The Kelly Gang would be the worst for copy right due to the distinctive helmets, but cant think who would own the rights... the State Library of Victoria maybe, as they are buying up the armour.

As for the other figures, if we call them "Crazy Bushranger with Beard" instead of Mad Dog Morgan for example, who can claim copyright on that?

If we keep it as generic as possible then it should be ok.

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