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Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Real » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:05 am

What all of us need (though many may not know it yet :twisted: ) are some good Papuan Infantry Battalion figures.

These played an essential role as trackers, scouts and guides for Aussie troops and performed many independent actions as well.

I don't know exactly what they wore, but the few pictures I have seen always show them barechested, just wearing shorts and the standard Commonwealth webbing. A variety of hairstyles and beards can be seen I think.

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Real: 10 (12)
Dropbear 27
Tracker39 20 (30)
Christo 40 (or so)




Some pictures:

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I would like a squad of them, so at least 10-12 figures.
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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:25 am

You beat me to this one Real... I was going to wait until today to make the request.

I need to do a bit of research on PNG unit strengths, as I am not sure if the Aussie NCO leading a section was counted as part of the section strength, or in addition to it.

If it is part of it, then 9 PNG figures would make a section, otherwise 10.

I want a whole platoon, so 27+ figures for me (need TO&E). This could be the first figures made! :D

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:48 am

this is a very good idea, My uncle was a WO in Angau if they wore headress it was a beret style..

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Admin Fella » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:19 am

How many figures? What types?

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:31 am

I am thinking a "section" pack - 1 x Bren Gunner, 1 or 2 x Owen Gunners and the rest riflemen (x 7 or 8)

Looking for more info and pics.

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:45 am

a Eurpoean NCO in beret, with owen gun

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Real » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:31 pm

Yes, some Aussie NCO's in berets would be nice.

A section pack sounds very good. As Dropbear says, we need some info on their ORBAT's. but I think we can safely assume we can leave the heavy weapons at home with these guys.

Brens, Owens and rifles it is. One or two Thompsons for the early war as well. Equipment is pretty clear from the above I think. A mix of shorts and skirts. Perhaps some figures in shirts. Ammo bandoliers and standard '37 pattern webbing. Beards and cleanly shaven. I thought I saw some helmets somewhere, but the Osprey drawing above should be the main guideline.

Oh, and machetes. Lots of machetes.

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Cardinal Biggles » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:48 pm

I would say shorts would probably universal fairly quickly..the skirt didn't have pockets..

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Re: Papuan Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Real » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:07 am

Most, if not all pictures in 'ANGAU: the Third Force' show them in skirts, right up to 1945. But shorts do make more sense.

Anyway, I'll come back to the equipment later. For now, here is a first draw of a list of figures:

A. Australian NCO's/Officers:

One Aussie NCO, wearing beret and Owen SMG

One Aussie lieutenant, wearing beret, revolver and Owen SMG

B. Native NCO's:

1 figure with Owen SMG

1 figure with Thompson SMG

C. Bren gun team:

2 figures, Bren gunner and loader (loader is mainly a rifleman figure, just carries Bren bag with mags and extra barrel)

D. Riflemen:

2 riflemen with .303's

E. Riflemen:

3 riflemen with .303's

F. Stretcher bearers:

Four natives handling an Aussie stretcher case, carrying it on their shoulder.

G. Native carriers:

Three figures carrying supplies.

H. George C. 'Dick' Whittington being helped along a track by Raphael Oimbari:

Need I say more? This iconic picture simply has to be sculpted into figure: http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/014028

Total: 20 figures

I would buy 1x A, 2x B, 1x C, 2x D, 2x E, 2x F, 3x G and 2x H for a total of 41 figures.

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:37 am

what is the difference between D & E? wouldn't one pack of 5 be easier?

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Real » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:47 am

Different poses. Many people seemed to want the most flexibility possibility in putting their sections and platoons together. Perhaps we can switch the Bren gun loader to D. if this is not good?

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:50 am

happy with that... just wasnt sure why the different packs.

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Tracker39 » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:08 pm

I would commit to 20 - 30 depending on variety of figures.

The technical name for the "skirt" is "lap-lap".

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:47 am

Real - if Tracker39 offers any advice on these figures, I strongly urge you to take note, as he knows what he is on about with this topic :D

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Real » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:56 am

Then I kindly invite him to come up with a more detailed list of figures and equipment. Alan Powells book is a fascinating read, but it doesn't offer much information on the PIB and NGIB (though I had found the proper term for the 'skirts' in it.)

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:44 pm

This information from Traker39 as posted on TMP :D

I have examined the following War Establishments (WE) (TO&E) at the Australian War Memorial, Canberra:

WE III/67/4 – Papuan Infantry Battalion dated 13 Sep 1943, and

WE III/67/5 – Pacific Islands Infantry Battalion dated 12 Jan 1945

WE III/67/4 – Sep 1943

The Papuan Infantry Battalion (PIB) and the 1st and 2nd New Guinea Infantry Battalions (1 NGIB, 2 NGIB)were organized on WE III/67/4 during 1944.

The 1944 Battalion consisted of a Battalion Headquarters, three Rifle Companies and a Depot Company. There was no Support or Logistics/Administrative Company. Battalion Headquarters provided command and administrative support and included Signals and Pioneer Platoons. Rifle Companies were often detached to Australian Infantry Brigades for offensive reconnaissance, harassing tasks in Japanese rear areas and mopping up operations. The Depot Company provided training for 100 recruits and held 200 trained reinforcements.

The Rifle Company consisted of a Headquarters and three Platoons each of a Platoon Headquarters and three Sections.

Company Headquarters consisted of:

1 Major or Captain (Aust)
1 Lieutenant (Aust)
1 Warrant Officer Class II (Aust)
1 Staff Sergeant (CQMS) (Aust)
1 Intelligence Sergeant (Aust)
1 Corporal Clerk (Aust) – held the rank of Lance Sergeant
1 Warrant Officer Class II (PI)
2 Corporals (PI)
9 Privates (PI) – 2 Batmen, 2 Drivers, 1 Intelligence Duties, 3 Orderlies, 1 Storeman

Total – 18 (6 Australian, 12 Pacific Islanders)

Company Vehicles – one bicycle and one 1/4 ton jeep and trailer.

Platoon Headquarters x 3

1 Lieutenant (Aust)
1 Sergeant (Aust)
1 Sergeant (PI)
2 Privates (PI) – 1 Batman, 1 Orderly

Section x 9

1 Sergeant (Aust)
1 Corporal (PI)
10 Privates (PI)

Total Rifle Company – 141 (21 Australian, 120 Pacific Islanders). All personnel were volunteers.

Company Weapons:

5 Pistols .38 inch
98 Rifles .303 inch SMLE
38 Owen Machine Carbines 9 mm
4 Light Machine Guns Bren .303 inch – 1 Coy HQ, 1 per Pl

Battalion Headquarters held a pool of 20 Pistols Signal and 20 Rifles EY – grenade launchers – which could be drawn by Companies.

The Rifle EY was the standard SMLE fitted with a discharger cup to throw the 36 Mills grenade (7 second fuse). The barrel was reinforced with bands of copper wire wrapped around the forward funiture of the rifle to prevent the wood from shattering when the grenade was fired using a high pressure ballistite cartridge.

WE III/67/5 is summarized in Part 2 below.

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:44 pm

Part 2

WE III/67/5 – January 1945

WE III/67/5 issued 12 Jan 1945 increased the strength of a Pacific Islands battalion from three to four Rifle Companies, each consisting of a Company Headquarters and three Platoons. Platoons retained the Platoon Headquarters and three Sections organization. A number of manning changes decreased the proportion of Australians to Pacific Islanders in the Battalion. Note below the deletion of the Intelligence Sergeant (Aust) on Company Headquarters and the deletion of the Australian Sergeant Section Commanders in the Platoons. The earlier separate Depot Companies were amalgamated into a discrete Pacific Islands Regiment Depot Battalion.

Battalion Headquarters provided command and administrative support and retained the Signals and Pioneer Platoons.

Company Headquarters:

1 Major or Captain (Aust)
1 Lieutenat (Aust)
1 Warrant Officer Class II (Aust)
1 Staff Sergeant (CQMS) (Aust)
1 Corporal Clerk (Aust) – held rank of Lance Sergeant
1 Warrant Officer Class II (PI)
9 Privates (PI) – 2 Batmen, 2 Drivers, 1 Intelligence Duties, 3 Orderlies, 1 Storeman

Total – 15 (5 Australian, 10 Pacific Islanders)

Company vehicle – one 1/4 ton jeep and trailer

Platoon Headquarters x 3

1 Lieutenant (Aust)
1 Sergeant (Aust)
1 Sergeant (PI)
2 Privates (PI) – 1 Batman, 1 Orderly

Section x 9

1 Corporal (PI)
10 Privates (PI)

Total Rifle Company – 129 (11 Australian, 118 PI)

10 Medical Orderlies (PI) on Battalion Headquarters allotted to Companies as required.

Company Weapons:

5 Pistols .38 inch
90 Rifles .303 inch SMLE
33 Owen Machine Carbines 9 mm
4 Light Machine Guns Bren .303 inch – 1 Coy HQ, 1 per Pl

No breakup of Platoon weapons but generally Sergeants and above (Aust and PI) carried Owen guns as did two PIs in each Section.

Note no mortars, anti-tank guns or MMGs in the Battalion.

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:54 pm

Now I think we have the exact information needed to get some of these made :D

We just need a few more takers :!:

Suggested packs for a platoon:

a) Platoon HQ Pack: 1 x Aust LT w/ owen gun, 1 x Aust SGT w/ owen, 1 x PI SGT w/ owen, 2 x PI w/ rifle, 1 x PI with Bren

This could be broken down into two packs of 3 instead of 1 pack of 6 if need be.

b) 1/2 section: 1 x Aust SGT w/ owen, 1 x PI CPL w/ rifle, 2 x PI w/ owen, 1 x PI w/ rifle

c) 1/2 section: 6 x PI w/ rifle.

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by christo » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:14 pm

in for 40 or so

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Re: Papuan and New Guinean Infantry Battalion (20mm)

Post by Dropbear » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:08 am

New tally in first post on this topic :D

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